Who Is Really Monitoring Your Domain Searches?
It's getting more and more difficult to do any kind of domain research without running the risk of losing your domain ideas to unscrupulous domain tasters.
Back in February, we described the problem as follows:
- A perfect domain name pops into your mind.
- A quick check at your favorite domain registrar reveals that the domain is still available.
- For some reason, you put off the actual registration for a few days.
- And when you come back to finally register the domain, it's taken by someone else!
Back then, it took domain tasters "a few days" to intercept, analyze and register the domains that you came up with.
Now, it takes them less than 2 minutes.
Last week an associate of mine was bulk-checking 200+ generic typo domains through a software that shall remain unnamed for now. All of the domains were available. But less than 2 minutes later, more than 50 of the domains had been registered by a number of different offshore companies from the Bahamas.
There is no way this could be a coincidence. And if you read the more recent comments in the above mentioned article, it's clearer than ever before that there are severe leaks somewhere that allow domain tasters to compromise your domain searches and steal your domain ideas.
Brad writes:
Yesterday, I did a search on both estibot and whois.sc.. About 4 different names with each of them. I used estibot to check the overture traffic, and those on whois.sc I wasn't concerned about the overture. Anyway, 6 out of the 8 ( 3 i had checked on estibot and 3 on whois.sc ) Were registered less than 1 minute and 30 seconds later by
BelgiumDomains
501 NE 1st. Ave. Suite #201
Miami, FL 33132
347-214-0249The evidence is overwhelming that they were using illegal data sniffing to steal these domains. I have already contacted a very experienced attorney on the matter and I will update when I get further along.
However, in the meantime, I suggest not using whois.sc or estibot.com at all.
Josh, the author of Estibot, responds:
Thank you for reporting this problem also via e-mail. I appreciate that. I'm the programmer of EstiBot and this causes great concern. I can tell you for sure that the searches on EstiBot are not given to any third party. [...]
What is happening here is that Belgium Domains is sniffing the whois services, not EstiBot itself. EstiBot performs a whois search for the appraised domains, because it's an important part of the valuation.
The culprit in this case seems to be Network Solutions. Their whois seems to be compromised. I will try to find an alternative whois service. Any help is appreciated, if you have suggestions please let me know, you will find my contact details on the site. I am willing to pay for a reliable whois service.
Finally I'd like to remind everyone that every time you do a whois search with any service, you run a risk of losing your domain.
Have you had a similar experience? Share it below, providing as many details as possible, and maybe we can do something about it.
I have known this was happening for over a year, but I did not realize that they had it down to 2 minutes. We should organize and determine which registrar(s) are leaking, then punish them by pulling portfolios. Doing "man in the middle" attacks on WHOIS queries is unethical and downright sneaky.
I think we should get a Neutral WHOIS from the root database. So if we want to check the availability it should not be cached.
Is there anything ICANN can do ?? Will it di??
Read this article, I remember Okt 15 I search for dewaji.com and want to buy it. But because of a payment problem, I decide to buy it latter. But in the next day. That domain has been sold.
While this can happen and not be because someone is stealing your ideas, I would be surprised that it's not happening. Since domain tasting allows people to register a domain with no risk, it may be worth it for them to snatch them up and sell to a few people that don't know they can wait 5-6 days to see if the domain is available again.
I think you can trust Domaintools.com for doing research. They have talked about this before and I think they are honest.
I would also be surprised to see this be a problem at any of the larger registrars, but you never know. It would be a strong temptation…
I'd like to see a full list of sites that people think are doing this, then we could go and do some testing as well to help confirm it's true. Then perhaps somone could write a script to do tons of fake research so they register them all… no, that would not be professional would it?
If you are using a Bulk Check on domaintools that is not a live check against the registry. That is cached. The domain might be being tasted. Tasters can horde thousands if not millions of previously registered domains. Comment number 3 in on this blog post mentioned a domain. That domain was first registered in 2002. It has been Domain Tasted several times and it is no wonder that it was not available.
We need to eliminate Domain Tasting! It pains me when people blame Whois.sc or DomainTools for this abusive practice. We have never and will never sell or give our queries to a third party.
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Chris,
Domaintools IS THE whois.sc – check it out.
Seriously, is there a "root", where the requests can be sent to?
Hi Vlad,
I know Domaintools is the same as Whois.sc, I've been using them for a few years now. I think and I hope that you are wrong. The owner of the site has posted about this and claims that they would never do something like that. Of course, an employee could be doing that while the company is not aware of it.
I have done many, many, many domain searches at Domaintools and never had much of a problem. But when you are searching for something really good, like a two-word domain it's very possible that someone else has had the same idea and is also looking for the same thing at about the same time.
I think the safest way to search for domains would be to just use the browser and see if there is a site hosted. You could then try to register it and if it's free you should be able to get it, but of course you may also find out that it is already registered and doesn't have a site hosted.
By the way, has anyone talked to Rene lately…?
Hi,
I just came across this unsettling news:
"According to sources, Verisign, the operator of the generic TLDs .COM & .NET registry, is considering selling access to selected root dns server lookup data to registrars."
More here:
http://domainnamenews.com/editorial/verisign-to-profit-from-rootserver-data/889
Patrick
Chris, your advice to type the domain into the address bar to see if there's a site is flawed in my opinion.
You already flagged that this is not an indication of whether the name is registered.
But more importantly you ignore the fact that lots of browsers these days have some type of spyware/adware installed on there browser/pc in the form of either a browser extension (ie Google/Yahoo/Stumbleupon toolbar) or a direct spyware/adware application like Zango.
All of these are capable and do report every bad DNS query (ie domain not registered) back to base, and it's a simple matter for the software provider to either sell that data to a domainer or use it to register the name themselves, either permanently or as part of a large scale tasting program.
Until someone does some detailed research as to which software companies are in league with which registrars and black hat domainers then posts like yours will do little but create FUD.
Welcome back and keep up the good work on the blog.
You raise a good point, but you are the one creating FUD in my opinion, and I don't appreciate you trying to put that on me.
Think about it: people, even me, type all kinds of crap in the the browser address and that includes typos. Do you really think someone that has access to what people type into their browser is going to try and sift through all that to figure out what domains they should register so that can then extort a large fee from someone that wants the domain?
Well, it's possible, but I doubt it. I suppose they could use domain tasting to register all those domains, but that would tie up a lot of money to try and get the few domains that people really want and will pay big money for. Then if the don't keep the domain the person that wanted it would be able to register it after 5 days.
Hey, I've done some research on domains and had some registered out from under me, but not many. My feeling is that for the most part there are just so many people registering domains that it happens more often than you would think by accident.
In some cases spies may see a really good domain that someone thought of and then registered it before they could, but how many really good domains are there that are left to register…?
Here, this blog post just came today and is very timely: http://blog.domaintools.com/2007/10/domain-name-front-running/
But because I don't know the reality of this problem, I am starting to do some testing of my own by searching for domains in the browser and at verious search sites to see if anything I search for then becomes registered. If I find any I will do some more testing to try and confirm something funny is going on.
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hi! i'm sure it happened to me also. is there some register somewhere, where we can leave details of suspicious cases? i think there is only a select group of malicious people that have access to whois logs, so i think it should not be too difficult to find patterns. a suspicious snatch contacts state a person from Sebring, Florida 33872 email: ????fologin (i obfuscated the first 4 digits. this info should be enough to find matches)
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"Think about it: people, even me, type all kinds of crap in the the browser address and that includes typos. Do you really think someone that has access to what people type into their browser is going to try and sift through all that to figure out what domains they should register so that can then extort a large fee from someone that wants the domain?"
YES, Absoloutely, how else will they know a name has some currency ?
Especially easy to do once you are getting many results from a variety of users that indicate traffic. Seems obvious to me.
Google "Chesterton Holdings" and you'll see this is an old story.
So when do you register the domain(s) that you see are being searched for? Do you register them as soon as you see someone looked and the domain is free? Do you wait until there is a second search? How about 10 searches?
This idea doesn't hold air to me. If bad guys wanted to register domains after someone searched for them, they would be going insane with all the registrations, and unless they used "domain tasting", they would be stuck with hundreds of domains that people didn't really want, but were just wondering about and testing.
I'm not saying it never happens, I'm just saying that if it does, it's not something to be worried about. If it was real and widespread, everyone would be complaining about it, since there are so many people buying domains all the time. And since there are so many people buying domains, it's bound to happen that two people get the idea at about the same time and one misses the domain.
C'mon are you that unaware of the economics of domain monetistation ?
Parked domains make revenue from PPC ads supplied by google and Yahoo, once you've got a few domains you have a good idea of what constitutes a profitbale ROI, (annual registration fees vs. ppc income), I've got names that are profitable on 10 type-ins a month, comapnies like Chesterton and there ilk have almost totally automated the process as stated in your original post.
Whether or not you are worried about it, it happens that companies like Chesterton holdings are somehow looking at both individual and bulk DNS queries and registering domain names based on this data.
Coincidence happens all the time and I've missed out on domain registrations by as little as 15 seconds, but allocating all of this type of activity to coincidence is putting your head in the sand.
You seem to be contradicting your original post now in order to defend yourself against my assertion of FUD on your behalf. I apologise if this upset you and I look forward to more posts that explore this issue, I'm sure that exposing some of the ways this happens will be very interesting reading.
These links are to articles giving more indepth information about the execution of the practice of "domain swiping":
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1991367,00.asp
http://spamlinks.net/blog/archives/2006/09/chesterton_hold.html
You haven't upset me, really. I just don't agree with much of what you have said and don't think it warrants making a fuss. But the number of times I have "lost" a domain I wanted to register is very low. In fact, my portfolio has grown to 290 domains in the past year, from about 6.
So I have not seen that it is a huge problem and have not seen many posts about it except from newbies on the Namepros and Nameslot forums.
Sure, it's super easy to do, from having a search box on a web site about domains to capturing the search queries when they hit your site (again about domain names). Domain lookups, domain link checkers, and so on could all be used to spy and register domains out from under people.
If I see it or talk to anyone first-hand, I'd be happy to help them document and report it, as I would think any domainer would do.
I have heard very little about this problem until this post and the "Front Running Hype" post in Jay Westerdal's blog.
You need to look outside your own experience and see the bigger picture.
It is a major problem and you only need to look at the volume of domains that NameKing et al are tasting/registering to see that they are doing this en masse.
This may not be a problem for you as an amateur domainer but for the general public wanting to register domains and then having them snatched away it creates a lack of confidence in the whole domain name system and the internet as a whole. As a result domainers like you and I get lumped in as co-conspirators in the scam.
Hi. I’m the Managing Director of Site Engineering Ltd, the company that owns iWhois.com. I would like to clarify our position on this issue.
iWhois doesn't write searched domains to any kind of database. Nor do we extract such data from the server logfiles, either through automated or manual means. We take great care even over logfiles, which while they record URLs of the form http://iwhois.com/whateverdomain.all etc may be accessed only by me personally, and only for purposes of recording daily website traffic. Logfiles are also emptied daily.
So we have never and will never either register any domains searched at iWhois.com ourselves or pass any information about searched domains to any third party. iWhois.com is very popular among domainers, and so it would be a particular violation of trust were we to ever act otherwise.
Also, no data is passed to companies to which we link from whois output pages (eg. Sedo, NetSol, Snapnames, or even our own domain reseller http://www.namiac.com) until such time as you might click through from iWhois.com to the other website. So iWhois searches are self-contained, except of course for the relevant registry or registries.
I hope that is helpful. Happy to answer any questions.
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I have been registering domain names for myself and my web clients (www.studio3g.com) over the past seven years and have never had a name snatched from under us until today. From the number and content of recent posts and attention given to this topic by victims sharing their own experiences, it seems the problem is severe as of late. We are perhaps at a watershed moment in time, when the integrity of the entire WHOis (http://registrar.verisign-grs.com/whois/) system is in jeopardy.
We did a name search through a prominent Registrar (I've never had a problem with) and decided to wait over night before registering it today, and it was gone. The culprit appears to be the same party in the Bahamas (Charlestown, West Indies KN – St. Kitts / Nevis) –See comments #54/55 at original story (http://www.dailydomainer.com/200775-domain-tasting-monitoring-searches.html) who have parked the domain with belgiumdomains.com of Miami, FL. These are probably just temporary front organizations who may be gone before we can bring any legal action against them. Unfortunately for them, my clients also happen to be attorneys, so we will be investigating this.
If Brad or anyone else is interested in finding out who these people are, please contact me through my web site (studio3g.com) and we will document our experiences to see what we can prove and what case can be made on our behalf.
Here are my theories:
A) Someone at Verisign is sharing/selling/ or stealing info
B) Someone at more than one Registrar is feeding or selling their Lookup info to these people
C) They have hacked their way into Verisign or the Registrars to view the Queries
D) There is a way to see what has been looked up and the general public is not aware of it
In domain.com is the same thing.
I've suspected this for years, but never did any real research to confirm it. I make a point of never searching availability unless I am prepared and have time to complete the transaction in a single session.
Thanks for adding some facts to the conversation.
Regarding #10, I wonder what's the point of logging every bad DNS query?
Here's an interesting thread:
http://www.webmasterworld.com/domain_names/3143997.htm
How to deal with tasters – set yourself up in a way so that when you search a domain and its available, register it straight away, just do it, it is only going to cost a few bucks if you decide you do not want the domain. If you wanted a domain and searched it and did not register it at that point, seems unusual, if I search a domain I realy want I go straight through with the registration.
Try using domain availability checkers from hosting providers. They are not interested in "domain theft" as you are a potential hosting buyer for that domain.
I agree with what has been said — to reserve domains you consider to use later. It's really a bargain. Another vital point to consider is to check domain names in terms of "search engine friendliness". I personally use the Nemeas software (www.nemeas.com) for analyzing and picking the top names that are about to bring higher rankings.
Sure, I could do that on my own somehow, but I'm better off saving that time for other more important work.
I wanted a domain coming up for deletion, constantly I would monitor it, every few hours, then POW, some guy bought it, I do not believe him to be a taster, more an astute buyer like my-self – I was just beaten to the mark. If I really want it down the track I will have to pay for it dearly, well thats the breaks.
I will look at other options next time.
I'm not familiar with the issues mentioned in the other comments nor have I experienced the concerns expressed in those comments.
I've. however, been using a tool to check domain name profitability from James Brausch. The tool is Nemeas and it seems to work fine.
I do not use tools to source names or numbers – however, as simple as generics are it still amazes me how many top level generic directory domains are still available.
Another aspect to generic domains is the letter (N) eg: i recently bought PlumbersAndDrainers.com for a directory that I am building to use or lease. I also bought PlumbersNDrainers.com (N) as it was available, the interesting thing is that the younger generation short cut words and I believe that N instead of And will have significance in directory domains. Also note what happens when you use the word AND included in search description in google -
Shouldn't it be illegal to log every bad DNS query? IMHO, I view this as a privacy breach.
Interesting topic.
I've never had this happen to me but as hard a time as I've had coming up with good domain names that
could hurt.
One strategy would be to grab them while you can. If you're not sure if the domain name is a good one,
you could use something like Nemeas to rate the name. At least then you'd stand a good chance of getting
a name that should perform well in the search engines.
I'm sure there are places such as mentioned here that are absolutely above board and would never snipe
a domain name, but it can be hard to tell who's watching.
Chet
Stop promoting your crappy software here nameas, Chris why don't you delete there comments (and this one)
Interesting article. I have wondered about this for years now and as far back as 1999 noticed this happening. I even got into the habit of checking domain names by visiting the site to see if it was live or on an holding page as a preliminary check.
What happens if you try registering a domain name without checking first, and it already exists? As long as you only get rejected, without losing your money, that would seem to be the way to go.
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NSI or not… the fact that it is sniffing it can be anywhere along a nodes on the internet connection. I can be anywhere. And since I kind of suspected this before when I was using PCNames.com, but their service is so convenient, I search 1 domain at a time and if it available, once I see it is, I buy it the very next second.
Had this happen to me when looking up http://socialdivide.com about 8 months ago. Within 30 minutes of checking it, it was taken. I wrote to the person that registered it and he responded quickly telling me he had been thinking of registering it a long time ago – just so happens to have done it 30 minutes after I tested it.
I used Network Solutions to test it, which I will never do again.
I had this happen to me a few months ago when searching through domain names. I thought I had found a nice .com but waited till that evening to register it. It was taken by the time I got back. I thought it was a mixup on the site I was using to search domains with (Network Solutions). Not so sure now.
How about using an application / firefox plugin like "track-me-not" to generate fake but plausable whois requests to some registrar's whois interfaces?
http://mrl.nyu.edu/~dhowe/trackmenot/
I was up one late Sunday, Found 4 domains I wanted. PayPal was updating, so I was unable to secure them the way I wanted, so I figured to do it the next night. Unfortunatly 48 hours later the one of the domains was gone. The domain never existed befor that, and still has no real usage now.
877.JohnAngel.Com
I have never been one to search to see if a name is available unless I have my credit card in hand and ready to buy on the spot.
Last week I tried to register a domain name through my control panel. It said the name was available, but for some reason I kept getting error messages after entering my information, but prior to finalizing the purchase.
Long story short, after about three attempts, I decided to attempt to register the domain through a registrar that was offering domains for about $2.99. I was told that the .com I wanted was unavailble, but the .net, .org, and others extensions were available.
I immediately went to whois to see if I was infact able to register it through my control panel despite the error messages I received. If not, then who snatched my domain in only a matter of minutes?
Well, according to whois, the domain had not been registered. I then went to a trusted registrar and to my surprise, my desired domain was indeed still available. I registered it right away!
I totally felt as if the $2.99 registrar was trying to snatch my domain by telling me it was unavaible. Perhaps they were hoping that I would register the .net. or simply settle for one of their cheesy "suggested" domains that were available.
Hi, I lost goldenlightsoft.com this way, though it might not technically be considered domain tasting because they hung onto it for a full year. But they did register it during the couple of days when we were trying to register it using a couple of different registrars (including some pretty cheap ones). Makes it hard to isolate who was at fault but given the timing and the fact its hosting one of those dodgy search/landing pages, I'm convinced it was a leaky whois server that gave the game up.
I have always suspected they could steal domain ideas this way, now I know. Thanks.
This domain tasting issue has become a joke – show me one domain that someone has searched then has been registered and offered backed to the previous searcher in the past day or two, lets say a week ? Why would someone scoop up a name you searched then register it in hope you would buy it, to profit yes. I search names every nearly day and the unregisterd ones are still their, and believe me thay are good names. However not what I require so I do not register them. Want a list, NO Problem. and they are good value. If you realy want an name and search it, buy it at the point of search and stop the winging. Millions are are searching various names and numbers daily, their are a lot of reasons for not available, outages etc. – case examples please
Tis true. A friend of mine looked up to see if whatwouldjesusdrink.com and isitasin.com were available on godaddy. And they were. I came back a couple of days later from vacation and they were both gone. Ended up searching for, and immediately purchasing, sexandbooze.com
Swiping has been going on at least since 2000 when i noticed it. Network Solutions of course. I have learned you have to be ready to pull the trigger once you start the process. Sometimes i make up bs domains so the a-holes will waste money.
Meh. Most of the people reading this blog and replying seem to have a lot of experience registering domains. Perhaps too much. Are you getting beat at your own game? Boo-hoo-f'in-hoo!
Right on Alex, Good Comment.
I had checked the availability of a generic descriptive term on December 11 at the largest registrar, I found out it was available, I spent about 5 minutes in the checkout process, putting in coupon codes, I paid for the two domains, singular and plural. I received a confirmation of payment only to receive another email saying that the singular version of the domain had already been registered to someone in Berkeley, CA who had hundreds of other domains.
I called the registrar and they were really sorry, they said it doesn't happen very often but it does happen and someone is pinging the whois inquiries to see what domains are being requested, then they register them themselves. Since this happened on December 11 through the 29th you can see what the whois currently says: the dn appears to be moving around a lot, they are going to great lengths to prevent anyone from retrieving the name by muddying up the title.
Registrar History: 2 registrars with 2 drops.
IP History: 13 changes on 6 unique name servers over 2 years.
Whois History: 2 records have been archived since 2007-12-11.
Error Message
Domain or IP Address Not Found
The registrar also told me that this happened to one of their attorney clients who then filed a grievance with WIPO.
Anyone that would like to join me in filing a complaint about these criminals can do so at this address:
http://www.wipo.int/tools/en/contacts/index.jsp
Hopefully we can recover our names and prevent this from happening to anyone else, the thieves are getting faster and better at this, and we have to get the word out to stop them.
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I recently (thought I had) lost 2 domain names to Network solutions because I procrastinated a few hours before commiting to purchase the names. I use(d) Network Solutions for WhoIs lookups because they have been around a long time and seemed to be a reputable company. I used to have a few domains with them but left because of price. I would typically do the WhoIs lookup there, and then buy the domain through my hosting provider. It seems that they monitor WhoIs or availability lookups performed on thier site, and, if they like the name, will scoop it. They are perfectly willing to sell it back to you at thier rate of $35 so you can't purchase it through another provider. At the time I didn't know about the 5 day thing that all these scumbags use so I ended up having to pay thier asking price for one of the names (the other had been released already). I, personally, will transfer my names away from Network Solutions and will never visit thier site again. And If I can convince 10 more people to follow me, thier cute little game will run them at a loss. A small but satisfying victory.
@Landfill … No matter how you want to escape Network Solutions, for all .com and .net domains, all other registrars pay Network Solutions for every .com and .net domains registered.
@everyone else: I guess the main lesson here is. After you do an whois and you really like the domain. Register it right after you do the whois. It is hard to blame the web-based whois services since sniffing can occur on the client side PC with spyware, sniffing anywhere in the network, or somewhere on the hosting server. It can be anyone.
Benj,
Network Solutions does not get paid for every .com and .net domain registered. VeriSign does, as they're the global registry for all .com and .net domains. Network Solutions is a registrar just like GoDaddy, and they have to pay VeriSign for each .com and .net registered through them.
S
@S: I always thought Verisign bought NSI and they are just one in the same and their names were synonymous. Thanks for the info.
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Hello,
I only use godaddy.com and I have that problem too. To great names got stolen in just few days. Callpen.com and EzWhiteTeeth.com
I was shock. I didn't know how it could just got taken in such a short time. So now what I do, when ever I think of a name I
write them down on paper and make sure I have the funds to get it if it is not taken.
Hope that will help someone (newbie, like myself)
I managed to find two short premium domains "words with a clear meaning" (type in domains), I could even pay for them. Great!
However, shortly thereafter I received emails from the big registrar that "they already been registered" by someone else "due to an error"… but you can get your money back…
- Not so great. Normal Error?? Maybe or maybe not. A very similar story to the one Connie Nicole reports.
I have also got a few good names snatched before. They are now for sale on parked sites. In my experience it is only good domains or names clearly indicating they could belong or be a new real company's name that get snatched. I have also experienced the "sudden" error messages prior to payment when you got a really good domain on your list… So I learned my lesson.. register directly, it is better to pay 10 dollars first
than a lot more later…
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I searched a 5 word .com last summer (July 07). I did not know about the "sniffing" issue. I thought my idea was pretty safe. About a month ago I went back to purchase. The name was no longer available. I did a whois search. Someone from Arizona has it parked; they purchased it in July. This cannot be a random coincidence or any other kind of coincidence. Apparently, the search terms are available for viewing, only most of us (I) do not know how to access that information. If I come up with something/idea, I will only search when I am ready to purchase.
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